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Recently, I have found out that scripture tag is not correctly used.

According to the tag wiki excerpt of the :

For questions about the holy texts of Hinduism. Please also use a more specific tag (e.g. [vishnu-purana]) if possible.

It says about the questions about scriptures. If there is a specific scripture, then tag it also.

But this is not used properly on many questions. This was tagged to questions which ask about beliefs....

Also to a question asking immortals of Hindu mythology

To a question which is about child marriage:

We can find many such examples.

As we can clearly see, these are not about scriptures like Vedas, upanishads, puranas, smritis. They were more or less asking about scriptural reference. It is obvious that an answer will be given from one of the scriptures. Then, why do we need to tag the question scripture separately? Shouldn't we limit this to questions about scriptures like Vedas, Puranas, upanishads etc.,? If every question which asks for scriptural reference is tagged scripture, then almost all the questions will be of that tag only.

What are the tagging guidelines for this?

I have two suggestions:

  1. We already have which is created for asking sources about Hinduism long ago. We can use that tag instead of the scripture tag when we ask for references. I think the tag wiki of resource should be modified to make it clear.

  2. We have which we have used for image identification. We can make it broad and use it for verse identification questions.

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    I think it's fine to use the scripture tag for this purpose, to signal to people that you want an answer based on scripture rather than some other kind of source. – Keshav Srinivasan Jun 23 '17 at 6:03
  • @KeshavSrinivasan Isn't it mandatory that we should provide the answer from authentic sources? If not, that answer will be deleted obviously. So, I think mentioning it explicitly is not required. Tag wiki suggests that the tag is not from scriptural reference. Changing tag wiki now is a bad idea. If this tagging is allowed, scripture tag will be mandatory for all the questions. In most of the cases, It is not the OP who adds it. – Sarvabhouma Jun 23 '17 at 6:33
  • Well, reliable sources are required, but scripture is not the only allowed source. Scholarly books and journal papers are allowed, for instance. So someone may want an answer specifically from scripture rather than some other kind of allowed source. – Keshav Srinivasan Jun 23 '17 at 6:37
  • @KeshavSrinivasan Most of the cases, it is not the OP who tags it. other users with editing privileges are tagging it and adding the phrase "from scriptures" even if the OP doesn't mention in the comments. I also asked for tagging guidelines in the questions. Many are not following the tag wiki. – Sarvabhouma Jun 23 '17 at 10:13
  • I think one should use scripture tag if the question is dealing with scriptures, for the last two questions you pointed out, I don't feel a need for using a scripture tag. – Pandya Jun 23 '17 at 13:19
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    I think confusion is due to tag description. We can make it clear in tag description. – The Destroyer Jun 23 '17 at 13:29
  • @TheDestroyer Changing the tag wiki description is not the solution. Tagging responsibly is the solution. Tag scripture was originally created to tag about scriptures like vedas etc., later it got misused. – Sarvabhouma Jun 23 '17 at 13:50
  • @SreeCharan It's not changing tag description. It's making it unambiguous. – The Destroyer Jun 23 '17 at 13:51
  • @Pandya There was no need to all the questions I pointed out. The word "hindu scriptures" is nor added by OP neither he tagged it with scripture. Other users added the word and tagged with scripture. I think post editing should also be taken care. – Sarvabhouma Jun 23 '17 at 13:53
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    @SreeCharan Scripture tag is used for limiting answers only from Hindu scriptures. In general, we also allow words of saints and journals. But looks like original scripture tag description says "this tag should be used only when question is about particular scriptures like, What are vedas?" and it's totally used for different purpose on large scale, not just misused in editing. In former case, it is not needed. So, description should be made clear. – The Destroyer Jun 23 '17 at 14:03
  • Down voted for calling me irresponsible. And, more importantly i don't think that this is any serious problem which is bothering us at the moment. I agree more or less with what Tezz said at the beginning of his answer. Even Pandya's answer says that when a Q is asking about "Which Scripture..? " then scripture tag should be added. – Rickross Jul 14 '17 at 5:34
  • @Rickross I couldn't remember where did I call you irresponsible? It was not directed to any specific user including you. There is no name callin here. It is a general discussion . Pandya's answer says it is Okay but it also says that tagging every question with scripture is not very good. It will be a problem in a long run. Creating a tag specially for scriptural reference will be a good idea IMO. Because, all the questions will be that tag only. It is fine to downvote if you disagree but it is not good if someone has called you something. – Sarvabhouma Jul 14 '17 at 6:58
  • "But this is used irresponsibly on many questions"...I was talking about this..next u gave examples of such Qs and the first one itself is where my edit is involved. When asking "Which Scriptures ..?" the tag should be used. There is no doubt in this. – Rickross Jul 14 '17 at 7:06
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It looks many questions are incorrectly tagged with . We should use scripture tag if question deals with scriptures. Out of 3 questions you mentioned, last two don't deserve scripture tag. Most of the questions you've mentioned in chat are wrongly tagged with scripture and scripture tag should be removed from many of those questions.

So, if you find a question that isn't about scriptures in anyway, i.e. if incorrectly tagged with , then edit it to remove the tag.

But here one thing need to be pointed out is, many times users tag the question with if he/she is looking for answer explicitly based on scripture i.e looking for scriptural sources. For those questions it is fine to use scripture tag. But tagging every question with just because one wants to emphasise/insist a scriptural source in answer is redundant.

So, should only be used if the question is explicitly looking for scriptural base.

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  • Thanks for the response. 1. I want clarity regarding the second paragraph. Is it a partial yes or a partial no? I got a reply from a user when asked about scripture tag. "every one seeks answer from scriptures only. Using scripture tag is necessary. If not, why would he/she post on our site?" So, if this tag is allowed for scriptural reference, then most of the questions would be of this tag only. 2. What about the usage of [tag:identification request] for verse identification question? Isn't that a good idea? – Sarvabhouma Jul 3 '17 at 9:03
  • @SreeCharan We actually allow sources such as Journals or words of saints. Some users may prefer only Hindu Scriptures. "Scriptures is subset of sources." But i think adding Scripture tag for everything may be bad if that particular wants answers only from Hindu Scriptures. – The Destroyer Jul 10 '17 at 17:12
  • But i think adding Scripture tag for everything may be bad if that particular wants answers only from Hindu Scriptures. -- What does this mean? @TheDestroyer – Rickross Mar 18 '18 at 12:08
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In my Opinion We are generally correctly tagging scripture:

1) Tag can be used when a question can be answered with many scriptures.

Eg. I do not agree with removal of scripture tag from question like this:

What is the story of Lord Parashurama getting his axe from Lord Shiva?

This question can be answered using many scriptures. Eg. Mahabharata also contains the story of it and also other scripture. So, scripture tag fits for it.

2) Tag can be used when one is Searching for a particular scripture but it is unknown to him/her.

Which scripture contains the famous Ganesha Sloka "Vakratunda Mahakaya..."?

Which scripture describes Lakshmi pacifying Narsimha?

3) Tag may not be used when a question is about particular scripture only. Like:

Where does the Linga Purana declare Vishnu to be the supreme soul?

But still even in such questions, if scripture tag can be used without removing useful tags, scripture tag can be used as General tag.

4) tag shouldn't be used for the questions which can't be answered through scriptures like questions of saints etc...
Like:

Swami Vivekananda Commentaries on Sita

Did Swami Vivekananda regularly chant any vedic or Tantric mantras?

Does Ramanujacharya believe that inhabitants of Brahmaloka attain Moksha when they die?

Ramanujacharya's Brother

5) But tag can be used to justify behaviour of saints from scriptures like:

Was Adi Shankaracharya’s Parakaya Pravesha to learn Kamashastra Dharmic?

6) There is no need to remove tag from questions unless there is necessary to add some useful tag. We can use 5 tags and if some tag space is remaining and the question fits for scripture tag then scripture can be used as general tag.

7) Using scripture as general tag is useful because it lists many questions in a single tag. If a new user or old user who knows many scriptures wants to answer a question then it is helpful for him or her by just going in Scripture tag.

8) Using as general tag is useful because it also enhances search results. Even simple questions which are tagged with scripture show as tagged with Scripture. Thus searchers can also have increased trust in question and answers seeing scripture tag. Like this: enter image description here

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    I agree with you.Since many new users won't ask to answer questions using scripture but the the answer itself requires the scripture.If you look at most of our answers , we almost all the time provide the answers using Scriptures. – SwiftPushkar Jul 12 '17 at 7:34
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    So i think there is no need to remove Scripture TAG unless its necessary.This site requires to provide answers with Scriptures only.So i also suggest users to add the scripture TAG in the previous questions where its requited and not added when noticed. – SwiftPushkar Jul 12 '17 at 7:37
  • @SwiftPushkar Answers in the scriptures is not mandatory. We can add any sources. It's our choice whether or not to give sources from scriptures. Adding every question with scripture where the answers are from scriptures is a bad idea. Read the tag excerpt. Usage of that tag should be limited to scriptures only. Actually it is other way around adding scripture tag is not necessary unless required. – Sarvabhouma Jul 12 '17 at 9:09
  • Here, you are missing excerpt. 1.The question is about a story and this should be tagged if the question is about scripture. It doesn't discuss about any scripture.2. Scripture is redundant here because we have identification request tag. This is the best fit for such questions. Also used in other graduated SE sites 3. Scripture is not a general tag if necessary, we can add it. It should be treated like any other tag. 5.Again, missing the tag excerpt, if the question is about a scripture, we can use it. it ain't a general tag. 6.There is no such rule. It is not mandatory to add 5 tags. 1/2 – Sarvabhouma Jul 12 '17 at 9:17
  • 2/2 We can remove an irrelevant tag without adding any tag. Actually, it is other way around. Scripture tag should not be added unless a it is related to a scripture. Scripture is not a default tag of our site. We are not scripture.SE 7. This is the main reason I raised this issue. All the questions relevant and irrelevant are being tagged scripture. It is very bad to tag every question with scripture because we can find it easily. 8. Using tag doesn't enhance search results. It is the catchy words,votes,views which bring new users to our sites. . – Sarvabhouma Jul 12 '17 at 9:23
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    @SS - Yes , I agree with you on "Answering with Scriptures is not mandatory and even not possible for some questions , like question about some beliefs , philosophy etc.and with your point of adding tag to every question. – SwiftPushkar Jul 12 '17 at 9:24
  • I was just pointing towards the importance of the TAG in most of the answers ,since most of the answers are given with Scriptures no matter tge links are from the original text or refering from some other site like "Kamkoti peetha" site. – SwiftPushkar Jul 12 '17 at 9:28
  • Tag wise search is an advanced tool which many SE users itself is not aware of. New users will be looking at scripture just they look at any other less famous tag. Hence, last point is wrong. If a tag is present in a question, it signals that there is something relevant to that. If we tag scripture and the question is not about a scripture, then whole point of tagging is abused.For references, we can use a note with bold, italics in the body if the question itself. tag is redundant.example questions in the point 2 are not related to scripture.ID tag is the best for such questions. – Sarvabhouma Jul 12 '17 at 9:29
  • I think it is better to create a reference for the questions which look for scriptural reference because, tag badges for scripture should not be available.**I strongly disagree with point 7**. If they want to find a question for late ruse, they can favourite a question forever. It will be visible after deletion too(if they have mod tools). – Sarvabhouma Jul 12 '17 at 9:32
  • I am saying why only scripture tag? We can create a tag for scriptural reference. This would be good. Because there are already 730 questions tagged with scripture. Our site will be dominated with that tag if all are tagged with tag. My point is other tags should also get chance. I am asking for a new tag for scriptural reference and limiting this scripture tag to scripture related questions. Then the users can easily search scriptural reference question. – Sarvabhouma Jul 13 '17 at 7:19
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    After reading the comments thread, i have reversed my vote. – DirghaChintayanti Jul 13 '17 at 8:57
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    I agree with ur points although some points will not be agreed upon by all. You see since we can't tag answers so we should allow tagging even Qs which have answers from Scriptures, because that helps in searches and it adds to everyone's knowledge. If we have already exceeded the 5 tag limit and if other tags are more needed than scripture, then of course we can drop it. Also i wholeheartedly agree with ur first line. – Rickross Jul 14 '17 at 5:38
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    @SS Regarding your comments. All your other comments are just opinions for me (just as my answer is also my opinion) except point 2. Regarding point 2, I say that identification request tag is of high priority in such cases but scripture tag can also be added along with it. And also many users agree that tag scripture can be used as General Tag. – Tejaswee Jul 14 '17 at 15:55
  • @Tezz Scripture can be used as the general tag in most Qs..if not all.. since Hinduism itself is based primarily on scriptures..so it is expected that it will be the most dominant tag (although right now it is not because of mythology but the irony here is that even mythological stories also come from scripture :P, so this shows the importance of scriptures in Hinduism).. the argument given by the opponent is "but it is getting the most dominant tag so we should stop it from being so!" What?? Why should we stop it? It is expected only. – Rickross Mar 18 '18 at 12:57

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